What Is It With Guys Over 39?

Is that the magic age when women of their own era become invisible or inherently undesirable because we might show a few lines, or signs of childbirth, or maybe because we might be wise to the mid-life male and their foibles and flaws?

Dating statistics in the western world consistently bear out the trend for older men to prefer women a decade or two younger, whereas women (apparently – not me) prefer men in their own age group when dating.

What is not clear from the data is what women were seeking when they ticked that box. Perhaps it was long-term compatibility or companionship rather than excitement, passion and to revive their forgotten sexual capacity.

After all, if a woman is dating again in her forties it’s highly likely that she endured a long period of monogamy during which (again, if the data can be believed) she probably didn’t often get her needs met. Combined with the questionable state of sexual reciprocity in marriage, if the relationship was suffering the agonising slow decline, the chances are that sex was off the agenda anyway.

However, the point I am making here is that – for whatever reason and on average – older men do not seek out their female counterparts in the online dating world.

This is pretty depressing for a woman in midlife, who holds out hope for a mutual and satisfying partnership at some stage during this second half of life. The fact that I can and do attract the young things without even trying is beside the point, because the basic maths shows that a 10 or 20 year age difference is just not sustainable. That was a major factor for me when I chose to end a two-year intimate relationship with my then 27-year-old lover.

Let me illustrate this point by sharing my experiences and perceptions across three dates from this weekend.

After a five-month absence from dating, chatting, texting, swiping and putting my profile out there, I dipped my toe back into the (cess)pool that is online dating. Oh so many bites; I narrowed them down to a dozen and arranged dates with three, based on random selection and even more random timing. There was precious little analysis and it was very quick, because I rarely know how my free time might pan out and when I might be able to claw a couple of hours away from my 24/7 teens.

I chose two guys of roughly my vintage plus a latecomer who burst onto the scene and wowed me with his erotic storytelling and our instant connection via kik messaging.

The 50-year-olds were unremarkable and if I squinted and blurred my vision I could imagine them perhaps being attractive to my tastes.

I withheld judgement, prayed for the best and arranged to see one for a couple of hours on a Friday evening, and the other for the Sunday early afternoon.

I’d been chatting to Mr Sunday afternoon all week and thus far found conversation yawn-worthy and unremarkable. Mr Friday night, on the other hand, surprised me with his eager texting and I propositioned him for the date, knowing all too well that meeting as soon as possible was best. He was very keen and reliable and we met the next night at a local upmarket hotel.

I was standing at the bar when he sidled over to me and said a mild hello. He may have kissed my cheek. We made polite conversation while ordering drinks (we paid separately) and then found a booth in the quiet lounge room of the hotel. Conversation was easy and smooth and I didn’t have to work too hard – one benefit with dating older men is that they usually know better than the young ones how to maintain the conversational flow.

Topics were pretty tame and he sat miles away across the table, with no attempt to move closer to me or initiate any sort of physical contact. We talked casually for almost two hours, covering topics centred around him and his life, although he paid lip service to me a few times. It was pleasant but as I surreptitiously studied him I couldn’t imagine having sex with him, or that he’d ever be in the grip of passion or emotion. He had thin lips and that’s an instant turn off for me.

I suggested that it was time to leave and we meandered out to our cars. As we said goodbye I felt a surge of unexpected warmth and the next thing I knew, we were kissing. I don’t think I initiated it, but I didn’t recoil because he was actually a pretty decent kisser. In my mind I thought I’d give him a go and see whether he might have potential in bed, seeing as how that was the point of our meeting – to find a lover/FWB/FB (whatever term you prefer).

It was quite a long kiss and it did involve tongues. It wasn’t unpleasant but nor did it trigger any desire to go further, and certainly not to touch him elsewhere. Fortunately he was retrained and didn’t grope my breasts or arse, but he did steer me towards my car and kissed me again in relative privacy. We said goodbye a few minutes later and as I drove home I thought I’d just wait and see what happened next.

We texted a little later that night. “It’s funny what happened when I kissed you,” he messaged. “Didn’t you notice my erection?” Actually I hadn’t and it seemed sort of crass to mention it. Oops, I’m showing my prejudices because I just can’t seem to get excited by lukewarm old farts who consider lawn bowls a suitable topic of conversation on a date.

We had a bit of back and forth banter, and for some reason I agreed to send him a boobiepic (full nipples and all) since he asked. In hindsight, he didn’t so much as ask as demand, which should have been a warning. I pondered and sent him my best, guaranteed-to-produce-oohs-and-ahs full frontal shot.

Now the ex-young lover had a breast fetish so I have quite a few of these in my collection, but even if I do say so myself, this shot is pretty amazing. I am honored to have such boobs, and I really have a surgeon to thank for it since I had a breast reduction operation seven years ago. However, I don’t usually reveal that! So you’ll understand my disappointment when Mr Friday night barely hesitated before texting, “good – very good.”

Fuck you, I felt like saying. Where’s the moans and exclamations and all the hoohar – or is it only the young ones who know how to appreciate a lady’s assets?! It’s not like I didn’t say all the right things when he showed me his saggy man-boobs and graying chest hair.

I had to work late (the joys of freelancing – no, I mean it!) and so at about midnight I stopped in at the site we met to see how my message box was coping with the onslaught. I was still fresh meat and I’d already figured out that real women were in the minority – hence the bulging inbox and multiple propositions. I spent a short time moving some guys over to kik and deleting others, then I went to bed thinking nothing of it.

The next morning, while lounging in bed making up for my late night’s work, I checked into the site again and found a message from Mr Friday evening date. “I saw you were on here tonight,” he said. I casually replied that I had been, and was that a problem?

To be honest, I haven’t logged on to the site since then (the reasons why will soon become clear) but on our kik account my message remained unread for two whole days.* I haven’t heard from Mr Friday night since so I guess he did object to me logging onto the site! We hadn’t even arranged a second date, discussed anything personal and already he wants to control me?! Phew, lucky escape!

Onto second date for the weekend, Mr Sunday afternoon. Also about 50, he was a different type of guy – workaholic, self-obsessed, a nervous babbler and someone so out of touch with his emotions I couldn’t even imagine being in a bedroom with him, let alone having actual sex. We had gelati and coffee (he paid, though somewhat reluctantly, but I let him go through with the offer) and over almost two hours, in his mildly high-pitched voice, he talked incessantly about himself, his hobbies, his children, his ex-wife, his property developments, his study – including his forthcoming assignments – and his love of classic cars and motorbikes.

I was friendly enough because I had a get-away plan and I soon calculated that date #3 held the most potential (young hottie).

Boy was I correct and I extricated myself from Mr Sunday afternoon as soon as possible. So utterly unsexual was he that he couldn’t even manage a peck on the cheek and we hugged instead.

I drove the five minutes to my third date for the weekend, Mr Mid-30s Hottie, who’d been texting me while he waited three hours for me to arrive at our destination. He’d been on a cycling event and rather than drive all the way home, he decided to wait for when I’d be free at 3pm. Sweet – and keen!

“Why don’t you meet me at my car so I can give you a proper welcome kiss?” he messaged on kik just as I was at the traffic lights. I couldn’t figure out where he was parked, so we met at my car instead – true to his word, he grinned and complimented my appearance and then embraced me in a passionate kiss. Now that’s how to make a good impression – especially with a sex-starved cougar who’s had to endure two boring old farts for more than four hours of blathering!

And he was drop-dead gorgeous, did I mention that?!

At least 6ft5, fit and lean, black plastic glasses (just like the pic!) and a nerdy shyboy appeal that hits the right spot for me every time! (I have an internal warning – but he doesn’t sound the alarms because, when it comes to sex, he is voracious and completely self-assured.) We giggled, held hands (while I felt up his arse and he laughed) and walked to the café.

As requested, I was wearing a revealing top and as he sat opposite me I could feel his eyes drinking me in. We made pleasant conversation (yes, it was harder work that the older guys because Mr Mid-30s Hottie is socially awkward,) covering a lot of topics. About an hour later he suggested we should go out to the car. I agreed and we walked hand in hand, with some more arse fondling, to my front seat.

It was broad daylight, sadly, and as neither of us are into dogging (having sex in public – it’s a thing!), we kept it fairly tame though he was very keen to escalate, but gentleman enough not to push it. However, two things were immediately clear – firstly, I really liked him and found him deliciously attractive, and secondly, he found me sexy, hot, desirable and worthy of a second date!

He has this irresistible combination of self-doubt, awkwardness and shyness – but combined with a sexual confidence and the body of a god! And he’s a fabulous kisser – I definitely wanted more of that but was finding the whole kissing in the front seat of a car thing uncomfortable, and there were too many people milling about outside.

So here are my thoughts on the whole age thing – the difference between guys and girls as we age.

I think Lauren is spot on when she says that men tend to get old quickly and set in their ways. They are also less likely to look after themselves and stay attractive. (Blunt I know, but that’s just a comment about their packaging – here’s what’s really important).

On the inside, however, is where the real difference lies – women in their second phase are often highly sexual, passionate and excited to be alive. Men, on the other hand, are often withered, bitter and cynical.

Take Mr Friday and my tits – he may not have seen better in his life (unless they were on a porn star) and yet he could barely raise a compliment and then ghosted me because he was hurt/angry/jealous, [delete whatever is not applicable] because I checked into the site where we both met, after I met him! And let’s not forget that HE checked into the site too!

I have found men my own age to be highly critical of a woman’s body – even sporting their own pot bellies, double chins and craggy lines, they expect youthful perfection in their potential partner. Men of my generation also seem unable to flirt or playfully engage on a level that is mischievous or ambiguous.

I hear this often from other women, and I’m not sure why or whether it’s universal. I guess I should qualify that statement by clarifying that I’m talking here about men on dating sites, or single men looking for something (sex, a partner, whatever).

Most young guys assume that, when you say you like younger men, that it’s all about the sex – that they’re obviously better, more lustful and with greater stamina because they’re young.

I haven’t found that to be the case, although Christine Feminist probably disagrees. She’s had some amazing sexual experiences with young guys, but sadly most of mine have been duds. Being a porn-fucked Millennial is really common! The symptoms are obvious when you’ve been in a long-term relationship and you know how normal men function. I’ll write about it another time. So for whatever reason (region-based, age-based, my bad luck or bad timing), most of the 30-plus sexual experiences I’ve shared with guys under 35 have been abysmal. I’ll be sharing those stories in future so stay tuned!

The important point here, however, is that it’s not the sex that makes younger guys so appealing – it’s the attitude! It’s the fun and the flirting! It’s the passion, the feels! It may not last – but it lights my fire that’s for sure.

As for Mr Mid-30s Hottie, he and I have barely stopped texting erotic tales, flirtatious and rambunctious desires and madly arranging our first all-day date coming up in two days! I can barely wait and the best part is that neither can he.

Time will tell whether he is as amazing in bed as he seems, but thank the goddess I don’t have to wait much longer to find out. Watch this space!

 

* I checked onto the site a week later and all evidence of Mr Friday night was removed! My guess is that, in a sulk, he packed up and left!

Interview with my blog’s second follower!

About Sensuality, Sex and Something Else

Welcome to Unleashing the Cougar! I’m so excited to have you as my second follower, and I was thrilled to find out that you’re an Aussie in the US. Want to give us some background or a blurb about yourself and your blog? I read your first post from July 2016, so I’m guessing you’re a seasoned blogger now!

Haha!! I wish I was a seasoned blogger, sometimes I still feel like a newbie! I’m glad you found my blog. I have been reading yours and you have some really informative posts.
As for about me… hmmmm, well the boring version would be that I am a British born Aussie living in the United States but my favorite description of myself is that I am a fun loving, slightly quirky, batshit crazy self-confessed nympho who discovered at the age of 50 that chocolate is not better than sex after all!!

My blog?…well it’s kind of like a stepping stone into my batshit crazy adventures, it might not be for everyone because I like to swear…a lot!! and I talk about shit other people tend not to mention in polite company, so if the word orgasm makes you blush, probably not for you!

So, why did you start your blog? I find it pretty funny and I get the sense that your readers identify with your exploits and sense of humour. Reading the background and the early posts was a bit of a shock to go from the current frivolity to discovering your history of abuse and sad or controlling, unsatisfying marriages.

To be totally honest I really don’t know how I decided to write my blog. I just knew that there was so much going on with my life that was fucking with my head, and that I needed to write it all down. I find writing very cathartic and initially I was just going to do a private blog for myself but while I was getting it all set up I had the option for public or private and I thought, “what the fuck, let’s do it!!”

And my history, yeah it was pretty shit. I have tried many times to write a book. Firstly, I’m not even sure people would believe all that could happen to one person; there is just so much adversity. Secondly, I kept getting bogged down in the doom and gloom of it all. I’ve discovered with my blog that I have a knack for writing in a humorous and witty style, which I did not know was within me so I began my book again writing in the same style and voila, my book is almost done!

SEX, SENSUALITY AND SOMETHING ELSE implies an interest in two related topics – what is the something else? And why did you start at 50 – and is that age significant? I love the way you share about your previous sexual desert and the sudden focus on sex you felt somewhere over the Pacific Ocean! I also loved the reference to your 77 year old mother suggesting you buy a dildo (clearly she didn’t know about vibrators!)

Haha, my mum has no clue just how naïve she is, bless her little cotton socks!! She tried reading my blog once before I edited out all the pornographic bits, oh boy that was a mistake!!

Sensuality and sex – so, all my life I have had sex; there was no sensuality involved. It was just straight out fucking, some of it rape. When I turned 50 after eight years of abstinence some little switch in my brain fired up and all of a sudden I was obsessed with trying sex. After some false starts I did get to try (proper) sex and it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life…discovering that if you couple sensuality with sex you get something amazing!

The something else, that is a little more complicated. There are other things that come along with the online dating world, some of it can be fucking brutal. I wanted something in the title that would give me the opportunity to discuss those things. At first I thought the something else was going to be self-esteem but I soon discovered there were other things, self-actualization, substance and so much more!!

You’re a sexy older woman, obviously, but are you a cougar? What do you feel about the cougar mythology or stereotype? I enjoyed our discussions with Christine Feminist about clothing and your right to dress for yourself in a way that you find appealing. I love the way purple is your favourite colour – have you noticed that a lot of women over 35 love purple? And just between us, are we the only women on the planet right now who are not that keen on facial hair?!

To be honest with you I don’t give a shit about labels or stereotyping. If someone wants to call me a cougar, have at it! I really don’t give a rat’s arse! I will have sex with who I want, when I want and I do not have to answer to anyone except my own inner bitch and I am getting better at telling her to shut the fuck up! My own personal limit is that I will not have sex with anyone younger than my oldest child. Mostly this is because I still have some body issues. Fuck, I’ve had three kids and I am 51 years old, I don’t need to be waving my saggy bits around in front of hot young men.

Personally, I think one of the problems is that once a woman reaches between the age of 45 to 55 she is in her sexual prime. She has very few inhibitions, no screaming babies to take care of, so sex does not have to be put on the back burner. Men, on the other hand, once they get to that age they’re not as virile as they used to be and sometimes need a few days between sex to recoup, (though most of them will deny it till the cows come home). I have experienced it TOO many times to know it is a fact! So, given that I could have sex every day of the week three times a day and most men my age can only have sex three times a week, it’s not really compatible. So sometimes to get what you need, a girl may have to look a little younger!! (And facial hair! What’s the deal with that? Although Mon Capitaine does have facial hair, which he keeps very neatly trimmed, and I actually like it on him!)

I’m surprised that you dived straight into dating sites and didn’t do any research – hence the endless sites that pretend they’re free but really they give you nothing for nothing. Over time I’ve learned about the genuine free dating sites (filled with fuckwits and ads on the whole) and I haven’t yet paid for one. A year on, what can you share about your dating sites discoveries?

I was too fucking jetlagged to research anything. Honestly, all I wanted to do was find someone who could speak in complete sentences to have sex with. I had no idea of the journey I was about to undertake. I learnt a whole range of new terms from FWB to ghosting. Who the fuck knew all that existed? I only used three dating sites: Zoosk, paid, it was okay. POF, paid was my favorite and I don’t mind the paid feature but it is not necessary and I probably won’t pay when I go home to Australia. Match, biggest crock of shit I ever used, paid for it and still thought it was total crap. I did try Ok Cupid but took that off almost right away, too many Nigerian scammers!

My biggest piece of advice is to be very clear on your profile what you are looking for! Be warned if you put on your profile you are looking for a booty call. Don’t be surprised if someone starts the conversation with ‘when are you available to fuck?’

I love the way in your blog (especially the first couple of months) you share a lot of personal vulnerabilities and history. As you do this you become human and real to your readers – how has it felt for you to be able to do this, and share these parts of your intimate life?

Writing about and sharing my experiences is what helped me to grow and learn on my journey. Despite the fact that the first 50 years of my life mostly sucked arse I consider myself really fortunate to have been on this incredible journey. I have had some amazing experiences. It’s through this journey, and discovering my own sensuality, that I’ve been able to rebuild my shattered self-esteem and finally become the person I was supposed to be and not a product of child sexual abuse and domestic abuse. Many people think my blog is simply a sex blog but it’s not. It’s a journey of self discovery and if my story helps one solitary person towards rebuilding their self-esteem, that would be awesome!

Your verbatim dialogues with guys on dating sites really are gold. How has your journey been from so much tolerance a year ago to now?

I’m a lot wiser now and even though it’s been quite a few months since I’ve been on dating websites, I discovered there’s this little bitchy side of me that loves to play with douchebags. I’m sure I will be back on dating sites when I get home to Australia. I’m kind of looking forward to fucking around with those who deserve to be fucked with.

How do you think your journey has changed you? I was fascinated to read of your phobias and foibles, especially shoes! How has that been affected by your tumultuous year of change?

I am nothing like the person I was 18 months ago. Like I said before, I finally feel that I am the person I was always supposed to be and not the product of my abuse. I am far more confident in so many areas of my life and I am learning to get rid of all of those phobias that were part of my survival strategy as a survivor of abuse. Not only have I had to deal with some form of abuse most of my life, I also have the challenges of undiagnosed sensory perception disorder and possible OCD and Autism spectrum disorder. This last year or so of growth has helped me to overcome many of my challenges. Up until the age of 50, I would not eat a single cooked vegetable and I refused to try ANY new foods. I had a very limited palette and mostly ate chicken or tuna salad. Now I pretty much try anything and incredibly, some vegetables are now my favorite foods. A person can achieve SO much when they decide to be brave! And let me tell you, it really was a conscious decision to Be Brave.

I like the way you have been so honest about your excitement on discovering sex at 50 and wanting a lot of it. I think a lot of women feel that way after long-term relationships end – like the kid at the candy store. I’d love to hear more about your recollections of that time.

Most of my problems in the early days were related to my struggle with my own morals and what was forced into me over the years about what is appropriate behaviour for a woman. I think my battle with this is what made my journey so interesting. I do not think the human race was ever supposed to be monogamous and we tend to live by OLD Victorian principles. I have my own personal analogy called ‘the stale bread analogy’. The short version is that when you first buy a loaf a bread, it’s lovely and fresh and you just want to keep eating it, but after a while you have to do stuff to make it edible, like make toast or French bread, until all you have left at the end is breadcrumbs.

Relationships are the same. As time goes on you need to get creative to keep it interesting. You have three choices: you can pitch the breadcrumbs and buy another loaf of bread. You can use the breadcrumbs to make new and varied dishes. Or you can use the bread crumbs to make the same dish over and over again. Most people keep making the same dish with breadcrumbs because it’s comfortable and familiar. Some people do it for years and they are happy with that. I don’t think I will ever get to breadcrumbs, I think I will always want fresh new loaves of bread on a regular basis!

The first disturbing story that triggered past trauma really had me feeling sick and worried for you, also pretty disgusted that you had to go through that, and even that men like that exist. Over time, have you managed to find any ways to screen out the perverts/undesirables?

I wish! Although I am nowhere near as naïve as I once was, I still think I’m probably too trusting. My friend Louise thinks that’s one of my biggest challenges. It’s probably a good thing that I want to keep seeing the good in people… it does get me into fucking trouble though, which is why she is Louise and I am Thelma!

I totally identify with the rollercoaster analogy and how your early experiences made you lurch from one extreme to the other. A year on, how do you see that first 6 months dating again, and how do you feel about your life now?

That first six months was the greatest roller coast ride of my life. While there were a lot of parts that were not great, on the whole it was a magical, fantastical adventure. I’m actually excited that when I go back to Australia I get to start the adventure all over again with ‘fresh meat’ lol…Fuck I don’t believe I even said that! As for my life now, I fucking love life with a passion that I have never before experienced. I enjoy every waking moment, even those ones where I am filled with self doubt or bored or even puking my guts up, because I am LIVING. For the first time in my life I am LIVING!
It might sound corny but most of my life I’ve felt like it was somebody else’s stage play. I was just a character reading the lines given to me. I did not feel involved in my audience or what was going on with the script, I just followed the story line. Now I integrate myself into everything I do. I no longer just read the lines, I adlib, I take the script, rip it up and write my own. This stage play has no fucking script and I get to choose what the story is about.

I’m so glad you wrote a fair bit about the love bombing/crazy mad texting leading up to the meet/sex and then the come-down after that. It really is an unsettling pattern in online dating and I was disappointed to read that it happened to you so many times after sex, despite such affirming feedback from your partners. Your honesty in describing your fears was really touching, and I like the way you named them. Is the blog being anonymous a major part of this ability to be so honest? Do you know any of your readers in real life?

When I started the blog the ONLY people who read it were my family and friends. Awkward much LOL. It honestly started off anon and was always supposed to be that way, particularly as I work for a fairly major financial corporation and at times have had over 100 staff. Now I no longer have those staff and many of them have watched the changes within me over the past 12 to 18 months so they have shared part of the journey. A good number now read and enjoy my blog.

The other thing is that when I first started the blog ‘Jad’ was my pseudonym because it was a name I have always identified with. As part of my journey I needed to embrace everything that was about me, which included adopting the name that signifies so much. So now my anon pseudonym is legally my name.

I still try to keep is somewhat anon and I do not put it on my facebook page mainly because I am going to be job hunting in Australia and this can either go wildly against me or wildly in my favor.

Thanks so much to Jad for sharing not only her intimate, touching and amusing stories via her blog, but also for her candid responses to my fairly thorny questions. Please feel free to comment on any of the topics raised.