Interview with Year of Sluttery

A reader pointed me in the direction of Scarlett from Year of Sluttery as a fun, well-written blog so I immediately read pretty much every post in a blog binge! I was so impressed, not just by the similarities in our stories, adventures and attitudes, but also by just how darn adorable she is in her prose. She’s clever, creative and sassy, and therefore I liked her instantly. Find out more about Scarlett and her blog (“50 Flirty Fun: Dating and Life”) blog below…

Scarlett Jones

You’re new-ish to blogging – what made you start?

I’ve always thought I would like it but had started a couple and gotten one or two posts before dropping them. There are several reasons I’ve kept up with this blog. I wanted to think through what I was doing as a newly single older woman and writing is how I do that. I am having so much fun writing it!

Do you have writing or blogging goals?

I want to try to publish it as a book and I can even see the movie in my mind!

How does the blog intersect with the rest of your life? How do you balance the separate ‘identities’ of you as an older woman dating (on a quest), you in your working life, and you as a writer?

I completely separate the working life and dating because I fear getting fired honestly. The blog is very open about sex so it’s a worry for me. I keep writing but I fear getting found out. My writer side pushes me to have more adventures. This is usually a good thing. I have however learned to listen to the side of me that keeps me safe after I scared myself a little bit the first month. I still do things that many women would not do, as in having men over to my place after a date or two.

How important is writing for you at this stage of your life, and for what reasons?

Writing is my joy, something I look forward to and miss if I can’t get to it every day almost. I started writing for the blog, to have an audience, but am finding I can write for myself now. I’m actually considering pulling the blog and writing for a book now. I have so many people following me who know me (or who know the DJ) that I find myself not writing some things I want to for fear of his friends reading it. I will be writing for the rest of my life, would like for it to be daily.

I find your blog a charming mix of clever and funny, with a bold and brave ‘voice’. It makes for a unique writing/blogging ‘voice’ – how did you arrive at this? Did it take effort to find, or was it natural?

If you met me in person you’d hear this in my voice. I tell the stories on the blog the way I talk. I write as if I’m talking to a dear friend who isn’t judging me but is rather cheering me on, “living vicariously through me” as several close friends have told me, and who want to know the stories, because some don’t.

What are your impressions of dating now, as opposed to the last time you were single? Do you want to give us a potted history of how you came to be single again?

Oh this question makes me laugh. The funny thing is I’ve never dated. I got married at age 19 to Hillbilly Man, former captain of the football team who had graduated three years before me and was still driving around our small town looking for dates after his factory job. Like Plato’s cave I thought that little town was the world because I’d never been anywhere and thought, “Well someone wants me” and got married.

After 28 years of marriage I got the courage to leave, and it was courage, and met Hoppy Sporty Sport who was my first date after leaving Hillbilly Man. I stayed with Hoppy for six years and left when he “forgot to propose” after several discussions on getting married. I have no dating past. It’s all been this year.

So, the word cougar – love or loathe? Why?

Hmmm…. no one has called me this to my face. I date as many men in their 50s as I do in their 30s. I have no problem with the term and would consider it a compliment. It’s been fun being with younger men. It’s been a huge ego boost for one. I’ve had three children and am not a gym rat but I’ve had no complaints. In fact I’ve had many returners and I know men bullshit us but there’s no need to. I’m going to sleep with them because it’s fun. I will keep doing it if it’s fun for me so there’s no reason to try and trick me. I’m there. I like sex. The connotation of a cougar to me is someone who enjoys sex with younger men, which I do, but I also like sex with men my age.

Do you have an age preference in your current quest, or another quality that defines the ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote from you to pursue someone?

My quest at this point is not for a monogamous relationship. It’s to meet as many people as possible and see what I want.

What are some turn on vs turn off qualities in the men you’ve met so far?

I except respect, humor, and intelligence. I have to be attracted to them also. That’s been interesting to meet someone and think they are so ‘hot’ online but not in real life and then the opposite also. I’d like to try and figure out what it is that makes the man attractive to me.

A complete turn-off to me is them telling me what to do, even sexually. The Cranky Narcissist was gone after he told me to clean my bathtub (I swear it wasn’t bad.) Baby Ginger messaged he’d like to “choke my pretty mouth” with his dick and he was done. Zen Man told me to suck his dick and I don’t want to see him again. There’s a rebel in me that does not want to do what I’m told. I will give a BJ, and do often and enjoy it, but I want to give it. I also don’t tell men what to do to me either though.

It’s an exploration I think. There’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I can’t stand arrogant people. Another huge turn on for me is authenticity and honesty and a drive to live life. A complete turn-off is a man sitting in front of the goddamn TV every night. Yuck.

What would be your ultimate date or special day/evening with someone?

I’m going to go with someone I’m in a relationship with so it’s not a first date. First dates are awkward. My favorite thing would be to go on a ‘wander’, whether that’s in nature or a city. One of my best days this year was in Seattle. I had coffee and breakfast in a kickass coffee shop, went to outdoor yoga, kayaked the sound, had lunch in an old diner, lay on the sunny beach and read a book and people watched, biked 8 miles back downtown, got pizza and watched a movie. Throw a sexy sweet man into that day with sex bookmarking the day and kisses throughout and that would be a perfect day to me.

Do you have any rules that you stick by, and why?

I have not done well with rules. At first I was not going to have men here. Ha. Then I was only going to have sex and not have actual dates or any activities. I haven’t done a lot of activities at this point, mainly food and drinks and sex so this one is fairly intact. The DJ has gotten past this several times but I enjoyed it. The main rule I’m trying to follow now is to listen to the inner voice of me and trust it.

Worst vs best date so far?

God. Worst? Honestly the Zen Man drunk and high at my place telling me how to suck his dick. Truly awful. I felt trapped.
Best? The DJ still has that one with the day of crepes and sunshine and conversation. Best sex though is The Poet so far.

Have you experienced ageism in dating, or limitations on your ability to achieve your goals?

When I recently turned 55 I had to change my age on Tinder. I had aged out of people’s searches. I don’t look nor act 55. I actually pass for 15 years younger consistently. I recently deleted Tinder but had my age as 49 on there. Other than the initial match I have not. It seems to be a turn-on for many, at least the ones that match. The ones who don’t like it are not swiping right so that’s okay.

Do you have a minimum or maximum age in someone as a hook-up or partner? (Or different limits for different circumstances?)

I have adult children. I told my 30-year-old daughter recently that my hookup cut-off is three years older than her which she thought was too close. LOL. I dated someone four years older than I am all summer but that was an anomaly. I set my range on apps from 20 years younger to four years older. I do like many of the late 40s, early 50s men I’ve met but for fun I like the younger ones also. Right now my best and most fun sex is with someone 18 years younger. If I were to meet an energetic open man older than me I’d be open but I haven’t seen that yet.

Where do you see yourself in 5 years’ time? Do you have a dream you’re searching for?

In five years’ time, I will be a therapist in the Pacific Northwest. I hope to be in a relationship with a kind, sexy, authentic reader/thinker/adventurer. I’d love to have #yearofsluttery on the NYT Best Seller list and working as a consultant on the film. I want to write and speak about sluttery and female empowerment.

 

Thanks to Scarlett for being so candid and if your interest is piqued, head on over to Year of Sluttery’s latest post.

Playing the Dating Game – Uber Cool vs Vulnerability and Self-Disclosure

Apparently, the need to love is hardwired into our brains. A doco I watched about the intriguing 36 Questions experiment, argued that the chemicals our love-starved brains release are linked with the drives for hunger and water. They are not ‘next level’ cognitive or emotional, but far deeper and closer to our unsophisticated core.

If we look at modern-age dating, mating and relating in this light, what can we make of this hard-wired need? In this article, I wrote about the vital importance of touch and intimacy in our lives, qualities so often absent for vast populations of people. Just look at the inhabitants of aged care institutions.

The search for love, connection and relationships is often confused as a search for sex and touch. Sometimes we need one or the other, but often we need both.

Is it becoming increasingly hard to find the deeper connection behind the tactile? The depth behind the facile? The second, third, fifth or sixth date?

Judging by the Zeitgeist (the spirit of the times explored by so many bloggers, books and articles I’m encountering) it makes me wonder where we’re heading.

Heather Havrilesky from the Ask Polly series run by The Cut raises the ‘casually dismissive’ norm that has infiltrated our screens, our entertainment and our urban ‘tough guy’ lives. She zones in on the damage it does to authenticity and human interaction. I’m going to quote her in full, because to me it rings so powerful and true:

“We live in a casually dismissive world. Careless indifference is the reigning tone of our deny-your-feelings, fake-chill-your-way-through-everything culture.

“Obviously, there are pragmatic reasons for keeping things on a surface level most of the time. It would be dicey to dive into everyone’s deeper issues at every juncture. But let’s just go ahead and acknowledge that the eternal imperative to make every goddamn thing under the sun light and breezy at all costs or be branded as a nutjob forever is a regular source of irritation and pain for many of us.

“That said, here we are. We can’t single-handedly incite a tonal shift. Because the problem… is a baked-in feature of our society, that it’s somehow more acceptable to appear careless or forgetful or to outright lie than it is to be invested, to have a functioning long-term memory, and to ask for accountability from those who’ve wronged you.”

Wow, I feel like I have so much in common with Heather! I have rallied against this ‘careless indifference’ my whole life. Right from my idealistic teen self, I vibrated with intensity, with a desperate desire to see the unseen, to get under the skin and ‘speak the truth’.

Now that I’m older, and maybe wiser, I realise there are many truths, but often a scarcity of people willing to admit to any.

About four years ago when I was new-ish to this modern dating thing, I ran my own irate campaign for accountability from someone I met online who hurt me deeply. It didn’t get me anywhere, not even an apology.

Now, it seems, the concept of vulnerability, of investing in anything very much – let alone the notion of ‘truth’ – seems very old-fashioned.

bleeding heart

This includes investing in an idea or a dream, investing in a person or a relationship. Investing in a career or a sport is still socially acceptable, but otherwise? I get the feeling that when someone behaves like a selfish, insensitive arse, we’re supposed to just sigh and say “Oh well. Next.”

We’re supposed to be bulletproof, invulnerable to pain, disappointment – jaded perhaps, but still uber-cool about it all. Their loss, move along, you dodged a bullet and so it goes. Yes, we need to be resilient and strong because every adult knows that life is not fair. If you can’t roll with the punches to some extent, you probably won’t get back up.

But where does it end? Sometimes I just can’t make sense of people’s behaviour in this dating game, can’t see their motivations – worst of all, I can’t see how they justify their behaviour to themselves, even if not to others.

So, to the 36 Questions popularised by the New York Times – what’s that about?

Columnist Mandy Len Catron writes of her experience on a date that focused on these questions to induce feelings of love, “They began innocuously: “Would you like to be famous? In what way?” And “When did you last sing to yourself? To someone else?” But they quickly became probing.”

For me, here she hits the nail on the head: “The questions reminded me of the infamous boiling frog experiment in which the frog doesn’t feel the water getting hotter until it’s too late. With us, because the level of vulnerability increased gradually, I didn’t notice we had entered intimate territory until we were already there, a process that can typically take weeks or months.”

This is fascinating on two levels.

Firstly, because the exercise (or experiment by psychologist, Arthur Aron, in 1997), gradually relaxes us into revealing more and more of ourselves to a willing listener – perhaps throwing caution to the winds as we are lulled into a what could be a false sense of security?

Or, it could be argued, that both parties are equally revealing their inner-most beliefs, if they’re being authentic and not flippant or untruthful. The questions and the process are intense, diverse and – for someone like me – fascinating.

Secondly, it’s interesting because it sounds a whole lot like the online dating scenario.

Modern dating that begins online with a stranger creates all the right emotional conditions to escalate attraction. It ramps up our fantasy/hope switch, and is embedded in a heady, ‘auctioneering’ style environment of ill-considered decisions and false scarcity to create an unrealistic faux intimacy. Fake – the whole lot of it. It’s just not sustainable or real.

When combined with physical attraction, this fake intimacy can be a potent mix of ‘fantasy pheromones’ and a tender hopefulness. Intimacy is built and maintained in the ‘hyper-reality’ of initial online liaisons in a number of ways: the showering or steady drip-feeding of compliments, attention, and the sheer amount of time spent ‘chatting’ with someone.

The dating site mindset and cunning interface between psychology and technology was engineered to play – simultaneously – to our deepest fears (“I’ll never find love! I’ll always be alone! Nobody loves me!) and to our wildest dreams (“Love in abundance! Everybody wants me! I might actually be happy one day!).

Psychologist Arthur Aron says in his original article, “One key pattern associated with the development of a close relationship among peers is sustained, escalating, reciprocal, personalistic self-disclosure.”

His original experiment matched strangers who had a basic ideological similarity, and gave them the expectation that the other party would like them. His intent was not to induce ‘love’ or begin an ongoing relationship, but to create a “temporary feeling of closeness” – a feeling of interconnectedness or intimacy.

This is remarkably similar to OK Cupid’s historical foundation as The Spark personality quiz including the four-variable Myers-Briggs style Match Test. The site offers users an apparently endless list of questions to answer and the ability to compare each potential partner against a similarity/compatibility score. The question is whether, in such an artificial, digital (rather than face-to-face) environment, a high-percentage match (eg, over 90%) counts for anything. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OkCupid)

In my experience, it does not. Interestingly, that was the conclusion drawn by the doco I mentioned at the start. It decided that the visual-led reactions we have on dating sites are so superficial as to be useless when it comes to genuine compatibility and capacity for love between individuals. As Stella Grey of the wonderful Mid-Life, Ex-Wife fame puts it, “Compatibility can’t actually be predicted by science.”

In my early days giving anything and everything a go in online dating, I favoured OK Cupid as having a more intellectual and therefore valuable core than other sites.

This was also because I placed far too much worth on the MBTI in dating, therefore giving undue weight to aspects like site-calculated compatibility. I’ve read so many accounts of women who rank extremely highly with male prospects (over 95% compatibility), and yet time and again, they are ignored or rejected for the eyecandy response (let’s say the Barbie-figured blonde 26-year-old hotly pursued by the divorced forty-something, balding executive looking to upgrade to a new model.)

Cliché I know, but statistically (even if not always) true.

But back to the New York Times writer’s own social experiment in a bar with an acquaintance. “I liked learning about myself through my answers, but I liked learning things about him even more,” she says.

She talks about the kind of accelerated intimacy she remembers from summer camp, staying up all night with a new friend. “We all have a narrative of ourselves that we offer up to strangers and acquaintances, but Dr. Aron’s questions make it impossible to rely on that narrative,” she suggests.

She recounts what made her most uncomfortable about the whole experience. The questionnaire asks for ‘alternate sharing’ of five compliments each (‘positive characteristics’), not once, but twice. This might be a tall order for two strangers.
The idea here is that, by sharing such intimacies, we’re incorporating others into our sense of self. Len Catron explains, “Saying things like, ‘I like your voice, your taste in beer, the way all your friends seem to admire you,’ makes certain positive qualities belonging to one person explicitly valuable to the other.”

The original study also created intimacy and connection through eye contact. I remember a piece of performance art in a gallery room that contained two chairs facing each other, two metres apart. In walked two people, known to the other but estranged – perhaps brothers, parent and child, or long-lost friends. The resulting five minutes of sustained eye contact made such an impression on me that I vowed to try it with my long-term lover at the time. We never did.

“I know the eyes are the windows to the soul or whatever, but the real crux of the moment was not just that I was really seeing someone, but that I was seeing someone really seeing me,” says Len Catron. Her experience is her own, and I suspect that everyone would have their own unique take on how prolonged eye contact made them feel.

Many of us – not all, but a sizeable chunk – spend our adult years looking for or living in self-defining or life-defining relationships.

Dating sites make billions out of this very primal human need to couple up, reproduce (or not), or experience closeness poly-style. We’re social mammals, everyone knows, our lives are supposed to revolve around meeting and mating – and maybe even raising a family.

I like the way The New York Times writer puts it when she says, “Most of us think about love as something that happens to us. We fall. We get crushed. But what I like about this study is how it assumes that love is an action.”

She likens the best qualities about the 36 Questions study as the right environment to nurture the good feelings. True, we can’t choose who we will love and who will love us in return. We can’t order up the person of our dreams or create a mate out of convenience. Science tells us that biology matters, she says. Our pheromones and hormones do a lot of work behind the scenes.

But if trust and intimacy are the petri dish that love needs in order to thrive, that’s a two-way street.

Yes, if we find someone who is offering those qualities, by engaging in the 36 Questions type of exercise we might heighten, or even create, romantic feelings that could lead to a significant relationship.

But the opposite point is also true: If we never allow or encounter trust and intimacy in this often duplicitous, guarded modern dating world, if we’re never prepared to reveal our true selves – to be ‘seen’ – then genuine love and relationships may never even have the chance to flourish.

Without the nourishing soil, the plant cannot take hold and grow.

Len Catron’s story has a happy ending. She and her newly made friend fell in love. “Love didn’t happen to us,” she says. “We’re in love because we each made the choice to be.”

 

PS: Writing this article has inspired me to buy Modern Love, Revised and Updated, True Stories of Love, Loss, and Redemption – the most popular, provocative, and unforgettable essays from the past 15 years of the New York Times ‘Modern Love’ column.