Agebreak – Let’s Be Thankful For Our Years, Not Ashamed

A long time ago there was a song that’s now become an iconic soundtrack of a period in Australian history – AC/DC’s Jailbreak.

Back in their formative years (the 1970s), the band was fronted by the late Bon Scott, a hard-boiled young sex god with a chest rug, tattoos back when they were dangerous, and denim jeans so tight you could see the outline of his considerable assets.

Jailbreak remains legendary for many people and I’m going to use it now as a metaphor for the cages in which we control and label women as we age.

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Three events have sparked this post

Each acted as a small thorn in my side, until I put all of them together and realised that this was a subtle push to voice my feelings and thoughts.

The first was the joint gasp from a group of young and beautiful narcissists on a franchised TV show premiering in Australia. It features several twenty-somethings with seemingly faultless and idealised body types, all thrust together on the tiny Love Island.

As viewers, we are expected to voyeuristically gorge our eyes on their unblemished physiques while we watch them figure out a pecking order, and couple up night and day under the watchful eye of 24/7 cameras (including night vision).

The almost-comic gasp I mention occurred when the group discovered that one of their members (a svelte, early-twenties buck) had a fling with an ‘older woman’ – “almost 50” no less.

The shocked expressions worn by these young women might indeed have been hilarious if they were not so insulting. I saw the gamut of emotions flicker by as the camera panned around the group – astonishment, the dreadful reality sinking in, revulsion. I imagined these vain hen peacocks trying to comprehend the scandalous notion that their ‘perfect’ bods might not actually be enough to keep hold of their man!

Who knows what the young bucks were thinking – I indulge myself that maybe they were a little more opening minded?

The second event I recalled after subconsciously pondering that ghastly show (like a car accident that held my gaze, I found myself strangely compelled to watch it until the first ad break!).

This second event was a story told by a recreational cricket player here in my town and it involved a similar socially suspect admission by a younger guy. Let’s say he was in his late teens, but his age is irrelevant. Points were jokingly assigned to these cricket hobbyists based on their most recent sexual success. When it came to the young buck’s turn, he LOST points – amid much jocular ribbing – because his womanly ‘conquest’ was over 40.

Not only was their assignation deemed unworthy of point value, he was penalised for it!

The third event was a comment made by a man on a dating site.

“Who’d be interested in a 52-year-old man?” he rhetorically and self-deprecatingly enquired. I responded, “And why wouldn’t someone be interested?” Tick any of the boxes that our youth-worshipping society so neatly packages up for us – too old, clapped out, can’t get it up, past his use-by date, haggard, jaded and just plain boring.

And for all those stereotypes there are matching ones for women! Dried up old prune, wrinkled, middle-aged, invisible, unworthy of our interest or attention, tired, past her best, and so on.

Subverting the dominant culture

While I find these examples of narrow-minded ageism all too predictable, it’s simultaneously fascinating that, subverting the dominant culture, is a whole other world where mature women are actively sought out for age-earned privileges.

‘Knowing what we want’ and ‘being able to hold a conversation’ are two such examples of the recognised virtues an ‘older woman’ brings to the table, as well as the more questionable ‘cutting to the chase’ and ‘being low maintenance’. (You might want to have a quick peek at my section about the changing definition of a ‘cougar’ at this point.)

Yes, it’s true that sometimes we don’t care to mess around with preliminaries – we might just want to get laid. In contrast, people regardless of their age still have very human needs and for me, being respected is right up there in the top five.

…people regardless of their age still have very human needs and for me, being respected is right up there in the top five.

Another example of the change in attitude at the other end of the spectrum is the term MILF. Firstly, that it exists, and secondly, that it’s consistently one of the top five most popular search term on Pornhub. (Pornhub Annual Report 2016) More worryingly, ‘step mom’ was the top most searched term in 2017 and still remains extremely popular.

Both cultural terms denote edgy, mature (and slightly dangerous) female sexuality combined with the traditional stereotype of women as the nurturers and carers.

In the article The Emancipation of the MILF: Does sexual freedom belong only to the young? journalist Kim Brooks describes the relatively unchartered territory of mature female sexuality, especially that of women who are also mothers. (Kim Brooks, The Cut May 2017)

In her 40s, author Claire Dederer came to the painful conclusion that she had a problem. “The problem had to do with sex. It had to do with desire. It had to do with being a middle-aged wife and mother and needing and wanting to be seen and known by new people in a new way…” says Brooks.

While recognising that she loved her husband and her family, she could no longer suppress the bubbling desire for something ‘other’ than where she found herself in her life. “A part of her wanted to step outside the boundary of the polite, middle-class domestic life they’d drawn around themselves. Or, to put it more crudely, she wanted to fuck around.”

And this concept is being echoed around the world, not only in memoirs, articles and blogs, but in TV shows like Wanderlust, and even among my own midlife female friends.

Revising the concept of the cougar or MILF

In the time since I installed that first dating app four years ago, I’ve done a complete 360 on my attitude to the concept and mythology around MILFs and cougars.

It hasn’t been easy, because I’d imbibed the subtle messages that surround us, as women, that once we reach a certain age our lives become less interesting, less important and certainly, less passionate. As I age, I instinctively struggle with this blatant ageism, because in my core, I don’t feel any different from those early heady years of discovering my personal, female and sexual identity in my late teens and twenties. I’m sure you feel the same way.

History and popular culture has proven that many, many women in midlife can identify with what Claire Dederer grapples with in her memoir Love and Trouble: A Midlife Reckoning, forensically examining what happens when a devoted wife and mother stops taking care of everyone, “stops subsuming her own needs to those of her children and husband, stops repressing her unruly sexual desires, and starts acting like, well … a man.”

Dederer asserts that a woman might be a mother and yet also a person with unruly, lively and even promiscuous sexual desire. “…A mature woman’s love life might be every bit as sensuous, tawdry, complicated, and overflowing as that of any women in her twenties,” she says.

Kim Brooks suggests of Dederer, “…but as a woman, she is setting out into the uncharted territory, suggesting, as a few brave souls have now begun to do, that the MILF might not just be a male fetish and a focus of male desire, but a person in her own right, not just an object, but a subject with things she herself would like to do.”

This image of the powerful and emancipated cougar or MILF is in direct contrast to the dominant ideology western society likes to periodically regurgitate. It was repugnantly blatant in the three examples I mention here – and it is not only confined to women.

Men also experience a similar cultural backlash as they age, even if they are party to its distribution.

For example, men perpetuate ageist attitudes about themselves (“who’d want this clapped-out old goat?”) and in the popular midlife trend of seeking out a newer model of the no-longer-interesting wife.

Research shows that men judge a woman’s physical appearance significantly higher (33%) than any other factor. (Elyse Romano ‘The State of Dating: What Do We Look For In A Mate?’)

British journalist, Deborah Orr writes in The Guardian, “how many articles have there been about how awful it is that ‘middle-aged women’ can’t meet ‘middle-aged men’ because all the ‘middle-aged men’ are snapping up ‘younger women’?…Women are culturally programmed to go into some kind of existential panic if they find themselves single in their forties. Men? They’re culturally programmed to believe that whatever they do, they mustn’t get mixed up with an ‘incredibly lonely’ and ‘incredibly vulnerable’ woman in existential panic. Which, frankly, is fair enough.” (Deborah Orr ‘Helen Bailey and the Lethal Darkness Behind This ‘Middle-Aged Woman’ Myth’ The Guardian 25 Feb 2017)

Looking on the bright side

But thankfully it’s not all doom and gloom for women in midlife.

Not only do we have the titillating prospect of sex or liaisons with younger men, but at least 58% of 26,434 men between 30 and 49 in one study said they’d consider dating a woman older than them. (Elyse Romano ‘Online Dating Report Women Want Younger Men’) So there are some positive aspects to take out of some research.

One article says that, “the overall attitude [is that] the older woman is better adjusted …that women in their forties have significantly high levels of self-confidence, are happier with their lives overall and feel that the best days of their lives are ahead of them.”
Even better for men with commitment phobia, “96% of women in their forties are content being in a relationship that may not end in marriage, but only 62% of eighteen-year-old women can say the same.” (OK Cupid Says Men Are Looking for Older Women and Just Don’t Know It’)

I am happy to have reached the stage where I am content both with myself and my life, as a strong, independent woman.

I don’t need a man – I want mutually satisfying, challenging and fun relationships, but that’s very different at my age and stage at any other decade. I don’t have a burning, ‘sand through the hourglass’ desire for babies, I don’t have any economic need to be taken care of or pampered. I don’t rely on my body or my appearance for my external validation (although it’s always nice to be appreciated or admired!).

Finally, in this second half of my life, I have reached a place of satisfaction, empowerment and reasonable contentment with myself. I’m still a work in progress, as we all are.

If there’s one thing I’d say to those obnoxious, narcissistic young women on Love Island it’s this: One day, if you’re lucky, you’ll reach 50 too. Pray that by then, you have something other than a lithe body and a pretty face as the foundation for your self-esteem.

Interview with Desert Dates – Ridiculous Relations in Remote Locations

Welcome to another in my series of interviews with other bloggers who write about dating and relationships. Desert Dates caught my eye way back when I started this blog in September 2017 and I’ve loved her stories ever since. You can read other interviews here and here, or try scrolling down the sidebar for more. If you haven’t come across DD’s blog in the past, I’m sure you’ll want to check it out after reading about her now!

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Tell me about why (and when) you started the blog, and in particular the name and subtitle – ‘ridiculous relations in remote locations’? I loved it the moment I saw it – for me it has a sense of larrikin humour as well as being a clever turn of phrase.

Larrikin – what a compliment, thanks! Yeah look I love alliteration and also have a soft spot for bush poetry so I was pretty bloody proud of that subtitle tbh, glad it struck a chord with you!

My reasons for writing change all the time. I’ve been writing semi-anonymously on the internet since I was a teenager and written in paper journals my whole life – it’s super cathartic. I write to remember ridiculously unbelievable shit, to reflect on confusing things, to remember and hope and daydream.

Desert Dates has its origins in Alice Springs where I lived for a few years in my early twenties, around the same time I started internet dating. I remember sitting around a table at the local Indian restaurant and retelling some of my disastrous dating stories to the uproarious laughter of my other single female friends. When I left Alice for the Pilbara, I had less friends, zero creative outlets and the manscape was pretty sparse.

After a failed attempt at dating a Dutch carpenter I drafted an email to a few friends to tell them what I thought was a pretty unbelievable and ridiculous story. It ended up being more than a thousand words. So Desert Dates was born out of a desire to save my mates from spam! Turns out they subscribed anyway.

I was pretty focused on my work so writing was something I could do just for me, and I could do it without needing anyone else or any infrastructure. I could also connect with a wider community of people who were also either dating or living in remote places.
It became a helpful tool for reframing my perspective. If a date was going badly, my disappointment wouldn’t last long because at least I could come home and get a good story out of it and have a small but lovely group of Dear Readers to cheer me on.
But really, I mainly just want people to laugh at my jokes.

How important is being Australian to the style and nature of your blog? As an Aussie I feel an affinity with your language and locations, and I wonder how that translates to readers in other places?

Most of my readers are Australian, then American and British. I would love to know how those random readers from Bosnia and Botswana that show up in the stats stumble across the blog and what they think of it!

I reckon rural areas are either romanticised or feared in Australia – tourists and city folk call the places I’ve lived ‘the real Australia’. I love all of the places I’ve called home and have strived to see and show their complexity and beauty. I read a lot of Australian fiction, especially writers that can capture a sense of landscape.

I don’t know about language, I just try and write the way I speak – like I’m telling the story to a friend. It seems more real that way. If I can include some of the Aussie idioms and slang that I love, so much the better!

Language is a living and breathing and changing thing – so why shouldn’t I celebrate and mix teenage textspeak with decades old slang? I mean srsly how great a word is DRONGO?

In your experience, what is different about city dating vs country dating? Is it simply the reduced numbers of contenders, or more complex than that?

Yep. Mainly numbers. All the good blokes are already shacked up, and you’re probably already friends with them and their missus. Plus in the city there’s more privacy / anonymity and more places to actually go on dates.

In the city, it’s easier to trust that it’ll happen because there are BABES EVERYWHERE. There are also ample opportunities to meet them and get to know them offline. The city is a playground. Full of philosophical discussion groups, secular churches, bushwalking clubs, storytelling nights and cooking classes. Full. Of. Babes.

Tell me about your ‘Dear DD’ tab – are you a self-styled agony aunt in the wings ready to sharpen your advice for the beginners?

Oh mate I wish! I feel like the advice I have to give is pretty niche (the demographic of single women living in rural Australia is a small target audience!) but also, who wants to take advice on how to find love from someone who is STILL LOOKING AFTER 11 YEARS? (Ed: I’m sure you could offer some great advice on dating though!)

What are some of the tensions and rewards of your blog – and the topic you blog about? I know you’ve written in the past about your discomfort with blogging about relationships as they are unfolding. How do you balance those challenges?

I value integrity, so if a story was solely focused around one bloke, I used to show them a draft of anything I’d written about them before I posted it. This meant that whatever I was hoping to have happen with them would have to be pretty dead in the water before I sent them an indepth description of our failures! But then sometimes exciting shit happens and I just want to share it!

I’m not huge into gossip so I tried to only say online what I’d comfortably say in person. Which of course impacts my writing and how honest I am about how much of a drongo a dude is. I always tried to make myself come off looking as bad as they did, or downplay descriptive or emotive language – just stick to the ‘facts’ and hope that the audience would draw their own conclusions. I don’t always try to be objective, but I try to be honest.

I also am a bit of a verbal processer – I talk and share to help me come to a conclusion about something. So whatever I say isn’t necessarily my final thoughts on the matter, because the process of sharing often helps me clarify my thinking. (Ed: I totally agree – I am like that too and it’s pretty common with women to talk in order to process and decide how they feel.)

What type of response do you like best from readers? Do you have a strong sense of who your readers are – do you know many of your readers outside of ‘the internet’ (IRL)?

My fave response from readers is when they show solidarity (comments like “OMG SAME!”) or when it reaches the right person at the right time (comments like “I really needed this”). I like having my ego stroked like everyone else, so specific feedback is also great – someone once commented that one of my sentences was ‘Wintonesque’ (Tim Winton being one of my fave Australian authors,) and someone else said the blog was ‘decidedly un-hipster’. I am storing both of these away to put on the front cover of my memoir. Jks jks no memoir in the works peeps! Maybe a one-woman storytelling show though…

I also just really like it when people laugh. Bringing joy is pretty magic.

I reckon I probably know about a third of my readers irl – I’m so stoked that people I don’t know have found it!

I’d love to know more about where your work has taken you – the ‘remote locations’ in the name of your blog? Do you give away names or just keep it general?

I lived and worked in super small towns so I was always pretty paranoid one of my colleagues or people I worked with would find it, and that it would damage the work somehow. Which is kind of overexaggerating my own influence!

Back when I started this blog I really tried to keep my life in silos – work, social, romantic, creative. Friends were separate from colleagues, family was separate again. It was a protective mechanism, dunno against what, but it kinda put walls in that didn’t really need to be there.

How does your writing (eg blogging) tie in with the rest of your life? Is there a strong link between your writing and the rest of your career?

Not really. I started the blog so that I could have a creative outlet of my own that wasn’t linked with my work, so I’ve kept them pretty separate.

What do you think are the generational challenges between people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and above who are dating or looking for love (or relationships) online?

I’m not really sure. I can only talk from my own experience. I think in my 20s I was perhaps more adventurous and thus loose with my match criteria online. Some women feel more pressure as they age to find someone and settle down and procreate, especially in their 30s. I haven’t found that. If anything, I feel LESS urgency now in my 30s than in my 20s. Maybe I give less of a shit? I haven’t given up hope that romantic love will happen for me though.

What do you differently now that you are a seasoned dater? Do you ever change your style, choices or behaviour based on other people’s blogs, experiences or advice?

I have a different perspective now for sure. I am not that much influenced by blogs or advice, but the experiences of my (now diminishing number of) single friends and the conversations that these prompt are always interesting.

I am now pretty into the ‘slow burn’ strategy. Doing things with groups of people who like doing the same things, in the hope that these activities draw together people of similar values, thus increasing your chances of meeting someone made of boyfriend material. This was the advice of my psychologist and mother a while ago, but now I’m finally doing it. It feels good. Even if you don’t meet any babes, you’ve still had a nice time, or at least a better time than swiping through profiles on your phone and having bullshit banter online.

I’ve met two top blokes this way and have spent time with them one-on-one, which haven’t had the same pressure as defined ‘dates’, we’re just going to watch a show together or get a drink. There’s less pressure to suss someone out within a short amount of time, because you know you’ll see them again anyway – at the next hike or cooking class or philosophical discussion group or open mic night. Things can develop slowly.

I think I am only into this strategy now because I’m in a pretty good place. I feel less urgency in all areas of my life including my career. I trust that good things will happen and am trying to let go a bit of control over making them happen. (Ed: I love this line!)

What is more important to you – the story or the telling of the story? Like me, you’re not big on details but you explore the narrative based on common humanity and aspects that are relatable to people anywhere.

There are so many compliments woven into this question – thank you! I’m so thrilled that the stories are relatable, that they explore common humanity and that they are philosophical. FUCK YEAH!

I love stories. I love that they have the power to connect us – for people to see bits of themselves, or bits of me.

I also love crafting a really good sentence, just like I find it really satisfying to read one. I dunno, I reckon all art should either be beautiful or say something. It should move you in some way. Ideally towards joy, understanding, or some kind of contentment from knowing that you’re not alone, that we all experience similar shit y’know?

In the city I’ve really got into live storytelling in front of an audience. In those instances, I really enjoy telling the story. I get a real kick out of making people laugh, or making them really listen.

I feel like a fucking magician when people laugh – like it’s almost an unbelievable power. Writing is more intimate, and I have less deadlines, like there’s no audience in an hour’s time!

In terms of process or product: do I like the process of crafting a story, or do I think the final story is more important? Definitely for me, the end story is the most important thing. Sure, I get a kick out of expressing myself and then editing it to get the rhythm and the flow right and maybe craft one good sentence out of 46. But I have a paper journal for personal writing, that is just for me.

With Desert Dates I like being accountable to an audience – it takes you out of yourself, and often out of my introspective spiralling. It feels less self-involved. When I write for DD, I write for other people to read it. I write the first draft for myself then I edit for the audience. It’s not pointless navel-gazing. I want them to get joy out of reading it.

So it’s like a small gift in a way, that I’m super grateful that people actually receive and continue patiently waiting to receive. I bloody love my readers. So I put time into making it good. It also means I put more effort into finding something positive out of what are often negative experiences. What’s the gold nugget within this pile of crap date? What can I be grateful for out of this dull 50 minutes in this dumb bar?

For me, what I enjoy most about your blog is the quality of your writing and your unique voice. I like the way you aren’t afraid to dig deep and to get philosophical. What are some of the qualities you look for in the blogs you follow, particularly those that share our topic?

I’m stoked my voice is coming through. I want reading the blog to feel like a conversation with an old mate. That’s what I look for in other blogs. Do they have a voice that is strong and vulnerable, conversational and insightful, real but not too earnest, not trying to teach me things too obviously all the time?

I seek out people who are having similar experiences but have different perspectives because I’m aware of the filter bubbles we can create online when we curate our newsfeeds with opinions similar to our own. Finding solidarity with others is good, sure, but so is learning about other ways of living.

In a recent post, you say: “Wrong place. Wrong time. Not enough time. Not ready. And so it goes. It wasn’t our season.” Poetic, personal and yet universal, deep and yet simple – these are the qualities that charm and fascinate me about your writing.

I find myself strongly relating to your experiences and your thoughts, which I guess is one of the appeals of why we share our feelings and experiences in this domain. You may have already answered this, but just in case – why do you feel compelled to share?

Again, thank you for these lovely words about my writing!

I’m not really sure I know how to answer this question except with more questions. Why does anyone make art? Is all creative self-expression inherently a selfish pursuit for validation? Is the compulsion to create driven by a very human desire to connect? Is it to contribute to a small community of people who share similar experiences, to create something to belong to? Do we share so that we are less alone? (Ed: So true, and all good questions!)

Is it to try and put words to experiences in order to understand them? To try to capture abstract ideas, fleeting feelings, precious moments and hold them for a little longer, to name them and own them and roll around in them? Is it yearning to leave something that will outlast us?

I dunno. I have written stories since I could put a lead pencil to a pre-lined exercise book. I didn’t think about why I was doing it, I just kept doing it.

A lot of the time I am thinking “How would I describe this moment?” Like if I am feeling awe at nature and blissing out by a waterfall in Tassie, or if I’m feeling joy rise up my spine listening to music. Sometimes I think that pulls me out of just experiencing things with my body and soul and whatever, by shifting it to the intellect. Or maybe it makes me more present.

I just really like making people laugh. Or feel things. But mainly laugh.

Thanks to Desert Dates for her candour and willingness to dig deep!